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Online Dan Miller

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Aspire 4.0
« on: October 20, 2012, 08:04:59 PM »
Just got done with users group meeting
Most excellent
A general cleanup of aspire, rearranging the icons
Drafting angles on the bases, extrude and weave along a single or multiple rail
Flip around a line, lots more
Expected release after new year
200 plus models included, some new
Free upgrade if aspire bought in last 12 months, $400 otherwise
Probally want to monitor vectric forum for all the paticulars. , i'm not the brjghtest bulb out there
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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2012, 10:31:10 AM »
I wouldn't cut yourself short on this Dan.  It certainly was nice to see a bunch of folks from the Indiana workshop at the Vectric User's Group Meeting, including Dan, Don, Greg, Michael, and a couple of others I didn't write down (and as a goat farmer, am not known for remembering names well).

To add to Dan's list of what's new -

2D (VCarve and Aspire):

Tool Organization
Revamped Layer Control (now it's own tab as well)
Mirror about line
Bitmap to vector improvements
Previews for bitmap to vector, curve fitting, nesting (and some others) (ability to preview before hitting ok (and then ctrl z to try it again)
Extend vector to next intersection tool - very powerful
Dimensions Annotation Layer (can't machine it, but you can create a dimensions layer and display/print)
Export to SVG
New (or enhanced) create arc tool
Additional alignment functions as well as reorganizing these into a group of tools
More...

3D (Aspire Only)
Add/Drag to base
Multiply by underlying component
Extrude and Weave - simply amazing and extremely powerful.  Think 2 rail sweep - but now using only a single line and either a vector or vectors profile - or a component/model and extruding along the selected vector(s)
Dog Bone Fillets
Sculpting enhancements
More...
Baking and Splitting enhancements

Will be called Aspire 4.0 and VCarve Pro 7.0.  Released probably in Jan 2013.
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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2012, 04:04:15 AM »
You forgot one, the midpoint snap


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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2012, 07:53:35 AM »
Sure wish/ hope they would do something with the prismatic lettering function. Neve been
all that happy with it.

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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2012, 10:20:20 AM »
I agree.  I've found that it is worth the time to send an email to support@vectric.com with a recommended improvement.  They actually read these, and track them - even if they take no action down the road.
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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2012, 11:02:29 AM »
I posted on the Vectric Forum so I'm sure they saw the post. Their prismatic is really kinda
clumsy.

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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2012, 02:00:45 PM »
so i'm guessing that aspire will cost about 2500.00 next year?
i love aspire, but in a few years they will be similar in cost to artcam for the same features and that will be very interesting to see what happens then.

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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2012, 02:07:02 PM »
Hi Rob,

No mention of price increases - but I didn't hear the question asked either.  So, don't know either way for sure.

I don't have any hands on with Artcam, so no insights - maybe we'll be lucky and win the raffle at camp!
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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2012, 04:04:50 PM »
Mark,

With regard to Aspire being a little clumsey when working with prismatic letters, what specifically is your complaint. I must admit what your posted looks clunky. Is the issue how it carves away the thin area's, leaving them at a lower height?

Here is an example done by Doug Bernhardt that is hand carved. Notice how the crossovers intersect. That's what we are looking for.


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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2012, 05:14:37 PM »
I agree you can do a good prismatic as long as you don't have a wide letter. Try a wider letter
now and see what you come up with. Stay with a skinny type and you are o.k.

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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2012, 05:21:18 PM »
Mark,

What happens with a wide letter?

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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2012, 11:00:33 AM »
I think you need to experiment for yourself Joe what happens with a wider letter. I don't seem
to come up with an acceptable look. Suggestions?

Mark
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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2012, 01:01:43 PM »
Mark,

Are you kidding me?

I have both Aspire and Artcam and must have cut a bizzilion letters.

I'm done!

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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2012, 02:28:16 PM »
Mark

I understand how the prismatic tool in routing programs do funny things to lettering - especially where the various strokes or elements of letters join. It is the nature of adding a prism to an irregular shape. In EnRoute we have the ability to ask for a constant height which means the letters do not drop in height but rather the angle changes depending in the width of the letters. But not everyone likes this look either.  The only two solutions I know of are to do a little hand work with a chisel after the router is done or rebuild the vectors for each letter into elements for each stroke or component. Even then this may require a bit of handwork but those tell tale weird points of routing prismatic lettering will disappear.

If I have a large single letter or two (or even a single word or name) and I want to be fussy I rebuild the vectors. It really does not take that long.

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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2012, 02:35:17 PM »
Maybe I am mistaken, but I think Mark is referring to the jagged edge of the prismatic letters he posted. They look pixelated on the edge and not clean at all.
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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2012, 02:42:39 PM »
The jaggy edges are cured by running an outside cleanup pass(offset cut pass) pass on the letters with the program following the contours of the sign.  This is possible with EnRoute - not sure about other routing programs.

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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2012, 05:01:20 AM »
You can clean up the pixel edges in aspire just the way Dan suggested.  If you are getting chatter on the letters then it is a router or router bit problem. You normally get the pixel edges when doing 3d on a straight up wall. The new addition of Aspire will have a drafting tool to allow you to place a % of draft to a model to help prevent this.  You should not get chatter with a profile pass. Offset your model by half the diameter and control the depth of cut so you don't go into the sign and do a profile cut to clean them up. Others are saying how wonderful the prismatic is, As others have suggested, it might be the font selected that can cause some of the problems.

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Re: Aspire 4.0
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2012, 08:28:02 AM »
What I'm really discussing is not the boundry pixels but the overall clunky look of the
letter. Take the "B" in my picture example. The top loop and just over over prismatic
carving of the letter are really not up to par as compared to other 3d programs.

Mark



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